This knife fits in with The tang stamp on this knife is post Government contract era. A Kent marked with Indian Trail and large brass rivets, J-9 marked is another Kent prototype with domed steel If the Marines had a Para knife knives under boxes and paperwork. For the next 27 years it was in my Squad car or on my SWAT belt. Powered by Invision Community, US MILITARIA FORUM - COLLECTORS PRESERVING HISTORY. Also, note that not all old Ka-bar knives were used in the war. Unknown Hunting Knife: Kent was a trade name used by F W Ive read reviews that claim the new ones (from Ontario) are not as good. Force survival kit knife. 5684 L77A: Camillus tried to talk Naval Ordnance into using We have over 75,000 pieces of Boy and Girl Scout Memorabilia to sell. With the help Required fields are marked *. The M3 trench knife or M3 fighting knife was an American military combat knife first issued in March 1943. Your email address will not be published. Ive bookmarked your site and Im including your RSS feeds to my Google account. I believe the two holes in the blade guard was to dummy cord the knife. Q30: WW II Prototype made for the 6 inch Hunting knife In most of the places that Ive come across a Klein knife, it was either a military electricians knife or for another handyman. With a decline in the number of such people, it becomes more challenging to get original information on what a ka-bar knife is, and when it made the market. by jerryd6818 Mon Jun 03, 2013 3:06 am, Return to Camillus Cutlery Collector's Forum, Powered by phpBB Forum Software phpBB Limited. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. To re-arrange a genuine item like this would be quite a task. It has a decent leather scabbard with no hole in the tip and leather cords intact, as well as the stone with similar markings as others Ive seen. Thanks for the feedback. Thanks! Likewise, dont just take their dates for it. You also have to consider that contracts were negotiated for 5-inch hunting knives prior to the release and approval of the drawings for the Mark 1. I have the knife and sheath, but not the sharpener. At the end of the war, the decision to ramp up capacity paid off as Camillus could now make its knives and still churn others out under contract. Boy Scout Knife, Camillus Manufacturer, Whittler's Knife, used, blades in great condition but shank shows wear (CSE06) Please refer to the pictures for condition grading. They may allow you to send it to them to get refurbished. My question is based upon the fact that the handle is not the leather disks type that Im used to seeing as Ive owned several, this knife in question has black plastic or rubber washers on the handle instead. This knife looks a lot like the original and with a little bit of use can be made to look old real quick. Below are some timelines for you to explore:Tang StampStamp DesignExtra MarkingsDateUnion Cutlery Co., Tidioute, Pa;Union Cut. So, as stated earlier, the archives of Marble or the DoD may reveal conclusively if the reason for the holes in the handguard. Cole would soon file for bankruptcy in 1982, selling the Ka-bar brand assets to American Consumer Products, subsequently moving the new headquarters to Solon OH. The Camillus knives went to the war (WWI & WWII), was handcrafted for some presidents, and lived more than 100 years before the company shut down. Enjoy! I cant glean a date of manufacture from the stamp. What is interesting is the knife is called an Air force pilot survival knife. The table below shows you different tang stamp designs and when they were circulated.Tang StampDescriptionYear/ Era3-line arch stamp1902-19154-line straight stamp with yearFeatures year of manufacture3-line straight stamp1916 the 1930s4-line straight stampThe 1930s mid-19453-line; non-italic fonts; short underline1946 19503-line; non-italic, full underline; no dots (USA., not U.S.A.)1960 the 1970s3-line stamp; full underline; dotted U.S.A.; italicsThe 1970s 1980s3-line stamp; dotted U.S.A.; mixed caps1989 2007Camillus Knife Tang Stamps and their Eras. I have three of these babies from my flying days with the U. S. Navy. forces were gone by 1973. I became curious about the background and history of this knife about a year ago. It is currently still in inventory with the DoD through the GSA. Co., Olean N.Y.Straight lineNilFrom 1909Union Cut. (Author's note: Camillus had developed the Mark II during World War II, and made more Mark II's than anyone else, though the Marines still called the Camillus-designed Mark II knife "the Ka-Bar.") The New-and-Improved Camillus M3 In the 1980s, the U.S. Armed Forces discussed improving the M3. So both of mine in the first post are wartime? ? They are the same size which is the size of a Mark I or Jet Fighter Pilot Knife. It isnt worth that much plus its actually a pretty good knife. We place the WW II era Im happy to see that youre entering the world of knife collection. Before you go dating your ka-bar knife, I think you might want to know some of the challenges that you could encounter, and why. USMC next to the current repro which graphically shows the difference. Production date date 3/25/1943. S-6708 RW marked Guardless fish knife stamped Krome Plate, I would say its one of the best knives ever! Keep up the great work. in the handle grip from the looks of it. I hope this is the right place to make this post.sorry if not. Here is an example what I'm talking about, this is the grouping of Mark 1 knives with the designation of MARK 1 on the ricasso and treated blades. Dustin- Great information! Wonderful read! See Picture for identification. Otherwise, it would be much easier to go through their files to find out which Ka-bar knives were made when. Additionally, synthetic composite materials like Kevlar had not been fully integrated into aircraft construction until the late 1970s and 1980s. Its blade is double-edged and has a length of 170mm (6 11/16 inches). The Camillus Cutlery company also produced: Their production capacity was expanded during the second world war when they had to manufacture a lot of high-quality knives to meet the needs of the soldiers shipping off to war. Must have forgotten to take it out when I updated the piece with the second bullet point, Your email address will not be published. This military specification document would become the standard for further improvements and changes to the pilot survival knife throughout the years. Unbelievable piece. After the war, Camillus soon shifted back to civilian cutlery, but they were now facing stiff competition from overseas companies. In the testing Western won the contract It was in a jungle behind Officers housing on a Navy base, sealed inside an ammo can with some other items. Not looking to sell it. I find this method especially better for those who want to flip their ka-bar knives, or simply establish if it was made before/ around WWII or after. survival kit knife with straight line marking. Most of the information that I have collected about the knife comes from blogs and knife forums on the internet. The cutting blade is to be 5 1/8 inches long and 3/16 inches thick. Very creative, one of the nicer sites I have seen today. Camillus clearly had skinning in mind with this knife. The reason behind Marble selling their knife to the general public was due, in part, to pre-maturely manufacturing several thousand knife blades and parts in advance of learning who would be awarded the government contract to supply the knives to the military. Later, after service members began returning from Vietnam, the military-grade issued knives began to be seen on the market. compares with this knife. Maybe a high school classmate possibly but I dont know. of Tom Williams, Camillus factory historian, I have assembled the The leather will be treated with para-nitrophenol fungicide. The Marine Corps then also renamed the knife the USMC Mark 2 Combat Knife. 3-line; non-italic fonts; short underline, 3-line; non-italic, full underline; no dots (USA., not U.S.A.), 3-line stamp; full underline; dotted U.S.A.; italics. room when the company was auctioned off. Camillus knives may contain one to six individual blades, knife use caution when opening them. They is a lot more ingredients to the batch of pudding for these knives. knife. The 1954 update calls for the knife to have a sharpened clip point blade and an additional rivet to the sheath. I have a one of the knives that came out of a survival kit. Im pretty sure the 80 doesnt mean 1980 since Ive possessed it at least a couple years prior. pins marked Kent, As above with different tang markings, still a Kent. The sheath welt shall be 3/8-inch-thick and 2 inches in length. The shady ones might lie about the real timeline of your knife so that they can under-price it and steal it from you. The tang stamp shown here is known as Camillus' four line stamp. The U.S. Defense Department published to private industry requirements for a standardized fixed blade knife to issue to pilots and aircrews of the various service branches. by MITCH RAPP Mon May 27, 2013 5:42 pm, Post Just found my dads Camillus NY made knife and wanted your opinion about whether to send it to Ontario or whoever for refurbishment or just leave it the way it is. We have been told these knives were carried by various elite When speaking with them, make sure youre clear that youre not looking to sell. Think of it this way, property markings came later in the assembly process only after a formal guidelines were established. The pommel screw in the middle looks to be steel, but nut is brass. It does, however, have a small Japan stamped in the blade at the hilt. About as plain as you can get, this is a prototype paring The Camillus Cutlery company closed shop in 2007, only to be resurrected in 2009 by Acme United Corporation, which acquired the naming rights. Any information is appreciated. Still,, Read More How to Date Klein Knives to A Specific Year or Era (5 Methods)Continue, The kissing crane knives are some of the most well-made, long-lasting, and historical knives that we can still find around today. 5665 J68: Unknown so far, unable to find the S card the by carrmillus Thu May 30, 2013 3:57 pm, Post I've seen and/or handled eight bright finished examples besides the one I own and your pictures are the first examples of the parkerized ones. These knives became popular with outdoorsman. 5684 S50: Dated 8/21/1945 this design uses the Mark 2 blade, Its width is 21.8mm (21.8mm) and thickness is 4.5mm (4.5mm). Eventually the U.S. Navy adopted the knife after failures on the Mark 1 and renamed it the U.S. Navy Mark 2. Model number 5686. Here are some ways to identify a fake Camillus knife: If youre in the market for a vintage Camillus knife, make sure you know how to tell the real deal apart from the repros. this out before you buy. Once you open the link you can either scroll about have way down and look for the title "bright blades", or put it into the find function and let the machine do the work. Kent Sportsman's knife with stagged Rosewood grips and If you dont find your stamp and logo from there, use the official stamp/ logo guide from the official Ka-bar website as seen below: There is a lot that you can tell about the Ka-bar knife from the markings on the blade. These were in issue up to 2000 as for as Im aware. The knives illustrated in Post #5 could had been fabricated in that transitional phase, or part of sample packs for the Navy salt spray tests, but just a theory. I agree. Camillus knives are one of my most favorites knives to date. If you have any of those knives, it wouldnt be out of place to salute it for its commendable service. There won't be any pommel markings on this one. silver. http://usmilitaryknives.com/knife_knotes_7.htm. But if its an Asian imitation then its hard to determine when it was made. While that might make it harder to identify what a true Ka-bar knife is, though, it is a blessing in disguise sometimes. Because of this, an exact dating system is impossible. https://prc68.com/I/OneManLifeRaft.html#Knife. There were a few more hand changes of the business over the years but by then, we had entered the modern era of the knives. Marble produced several thousand knives for field testing and delivered them to the U.S. Air Force between 1957-1959. No date or manufacturer is stamped anywhere. The similarities to Mark I knives are obvious, but they were procured and manufactured under different contracts and specifications. Im working on making one of these for a friend who is currently at the Air Force Academy and this article was incredibly helpful, thank you! Both have dark what I believe is blued blades. Another Kent with stagged Rosewood, brass pins and etched. 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