The Hokies used a base 8-man front the majority of the time. They tie up the center and both guards, allowing the middle linebacker to go unblocked sideline to sideline. (He finished with well over 100 yards.) It kicks off by detailing the inner workings of the Bud Foster Gap Defense that has baffled most of the ACC over the last 8 years. In certain situations, without changing the personnel, the Hokies will play an 8-man front, with four defensive linemen, four linebackers, and three defensive backs (4-4-3 alignment). Offensive schemes do the same. Also, in goal line and short yardage, the backer and blitz the gap to try to blow the play in the backfield playside. Los Angeles is launching a guaranteed income pilot program, set to be the biggest in the US so far. Finally, the ball is snapped and the play runs to completion, most likely in five seconds or less. this is the best stuff and why i love TKP .. i know that teams use our schemes against us in recruiting but i love how the giants and their smaller, more athletic dline core, is being looked at by coach bud. The wide side is called the field and the short side is called the boundary. Learn how to identity the Bear and understand how it accomplishes its goal. Adobe d C Virginia Tech defensive coordinator Bud Foster, who announced Thursday he would be retiring at the end of this his 33rd season, is the longest continually tenured assistant at the same school in . Coles scored on that long TD. To the uneducated eye, the defense features two ends, two tackles, three linebackers, two safeties, and two corners just like a traditional NFL style 4-3, but Foster turns the 4-3 concept on its ear. What I do see Tech doing is forcing opponents to keep the RB/TE in there to block by blitzing the WHIP often. The entire defensive approach featured a bully mentality and a big play fervor. I'd have to double check but I'm fairly certain Wiles even said he is the starter going into August camp because his players don't lose their starting jobs due to injury. Does this really hurt us? Steeles downfall came against spread-it-out, fast-paced systems like West Virginias. . So, every player has to know exactly where to be, exactly what to do, and exactly where to go before running with reckless abandon into a full speed collision. The Hokies showed a blitz up front, and Jayron showed a cover 3 look by bailing out and back pedaling before the snap. I love that article. I love the white helmet with the stripe and white facemask. In an 8-man front, the Rover will rotate up closer to the line of scrimmage and align as the fourth linebacker. . The defensive call in combination with the personnel group establishes the specific pass coverage responsibilities for the defense. Remember getting gashed repeatedly by just about everybody we played? Charley Wiles communicates the front call to the defensive line (stunt calls, etc). The offense makes the next move by setting their personnel group for this example, they have just removed one of their two running backs and sent in a second tight end. There is an extensive blitz package in VTs scheme. They made popular the "G" front and took the 1985 Bears 46 defensive front as a compliment, which Tech would call the "Tuff" package. The potential risk is that the movement can allow for gashing big running plays if the players can't control their gap responsibility. Body positioning, angle of alignment, depth of alignment, how to come off the snap (use of hands, proper footwork, etc), reading each individual key, reacting properly to those keys, proper pursuit angle, tackling technique.that is just a short list of things that the players must focus on correctly as a unit for the defense to be successful on any given play. The running back is supposed to take two strides playside, plant his playside leg (in this case the right leg) and select a weak spot where the defender has overrun the play. A student manager signals the personnel group (12 in this example) via the sign board. Instead of slanting as much (because his DL had a tendency to lose gap control and his backer couldn't figure out how to be in the correct place), Bud reverted back to shooting gaps. Thanks. Call 1-800-GAMBLER. The number of wide receivers is derived from the combination of those two numbers. Hopefully he has a breakthrough year. His upside is higher than Collins, but Collins is a much more instinctual player at this point. Instead, Collins played read and react football and was driven off the ball often, which is to be expected when he is doubled and cut block all night. So opposing coaches will tell a kid he'll have a better shot of making it to the NFL if he plays in a "NFL-style" 4-3. More to come in my next post. Anytime you see the mike backer dropping back, it is change up defense hoping the QB throws to a spot without seeing the mike. WHIP often creeps up because he usually gets a 1 on 1 matchup with the RB in coverage. First of all, they had a GREAT offensive line that was able to block at angles which cut off the stunts from Virginia Tech linebackers. The defense slides their individual alignments based on that personnel group and passing strength. If you have any questions, I will be sure to answer to answer them in the comments. The architect of Tech's famed Lunch Pail Defense, Foster was the longest continually tenured FBS assistant coach at the same school at the time of his retirement in 2019. The Whip blitzes hard from the 7 gap to fly through the 5 gap space. The design of the defense is set up to allow the Mike, Whip, or Stud DE to make the play. Neither would a Pat Williams type DT. Combining elements from each scheme is what gives the 4-2-5 its versatility. In this installment of the series, we will cover the general concepts of Bud Foster's defensive scheme, including how offensive personnel and formation impact defensive alignments and responsibilities. '+,,-/4443.4444444444 By keeping the tight ends and running backs in to block, offenses could buy additional time to go to their wide receivers running down the field against single, man-to-man coverage. MIKE is the same type of player as MIKE in a 4-3 defense, but Backer is more like a SAM LB in a 4-3, and often gets the RB or TE to the passing strength. Am I getting overconfident that we'll be able to better compete with Clemson this year based on the following assumptions: from Clemson beat writer Greg Wallace via Andy Bitter: http://hamptonroads.com/2012/06/ask-another-teams-beat-writer-clemson. We will review the scheme adjustments that were made following the 2003 season and the impact they have had. So that got me thinking: how does Bud and Co defend GT differently than a more pro style set? Miami has completely destroyed GT the last few years (if i remember correctly), and they do that by blowing up the GT OL at the LOS. Nekos was pretty average size for a Hokie DE (McCray is the biggest it seems like we have had since Chris Ellis), but neither Brown nor Graves fit the new prototype of NFL type 6'6 265 DE's and 6'4 310 3-4 DE's or 4-3 DT's that we see in the SEC. d88$FQ &~g?Waj }4;{S=Gg``YoF2a2XCTH#?:]=e1sp=$3_ S??oB/r~u6n?o'tm{ iu e*g[3mcXX_ endstream endobj 7 0 obj 859 endobj 12 0 obj << /Length 13 0 R /Filter /FlateDecode >> stream However, in the Ravens 2 gap 4-3 that they ran in their Super Bowl season, Tony Siragusa and Sam Adams only job was to keep the interior line off Ray Lewis. The players also aligned differently. In that AFCA presentation could you explain what Wiles means for h.(Under Defensive Line: 10 Commandments) Escape: Rip or wipe, push with power, pull with trail, step 45 and rip your gap. If the blitz didnt get to the QB quickly, then the defense was at risk for a big play. Urban Meyer fell behind LSU and Alabama in recruiting, and magically his health is at risk and he gets out. In the old 4-4, the rover was always opposite to the whip. When Fuller took over whip, it seemed like that balance flipped, with the Whip finishing on more blitzes and the Mike not filling up the pass-rush stat column as much. 20102023, Orange and Maroon Media, LLC. The Rover is an OLB who plays more coverage, like a SS. In other words, without changing the base personnel, it was a scheme that could adjust play to play from a run stopping 8-in-the-box set to a strong pass stopping set with five defensive backs (Whip, Rover, Field Corner, Boundary Corner, Free Safety). From the formation, they know the passing strength of the offense and based on that they will slide their respective alignments accordingly (still within the basic alignments defined by ball position). Instead of taking on offensive linemen as a run stuffing linebacker, he was used more to play containment or run blitz off the edge. Mike: The Mike backer (Jack Tyler) lines up directly over the center, and blitzes against the flow of the play to fly through the 1-3 gap. Welcome to Bud Foster's Lunch Pail D. This site is dedicated to blue collar, hard nosed defense like those run by Bud Foster during his years as the Defensive Coordinator for the Virginia Tech Hokies. But I don't think we put enough pressure on them either due to match ups on the front line and some weaknesses in coverage, both due to injuries. I'd like to see those guys like McCray playing more than thatespecially down the stretch with Clemson, fsu, and Miamifresh legs all round are a gOod thing.. McCray played more against UVA and Michigan than I thought he did, and he had some good pass rush (but he was usually second in the race behind another defender.). Great stuff as always French. One breakdown or miscommunication and the other team could be in the end zone. OT: "The Mandalorian" S3 discussion thread (feat. . The DEs aligned much like they do today with the Stud always to the wide side and the End always to the boundary. *U# N)qQ/y(H"hVt kf@^L;,R?P0;|v44 JFC=zYh AWEBYl5I[.X@v6UQV@_msY)Ng1KhZ/Y)va+XsM =_ewrr\|2Q)/zN]N}q_r{f-wvw)1,Z )$fy86g8@ZtqI,dX& ^twn*g$b{xoa.WwDWZflk1g,JIEfPO[h-H( ,AdYp[fuNP&SuhZs`um%?HSpQ1Y. VT shifts their G front to the Field side as well into a 4-3, whether its weak or strong, which gives them 3 fronts in the base package. He does not have to be a big guy, but he does have to have a very high motor. The reason why they can adapt to spread offenses reasonably well is because of the player they put at the hybrid position. Playing in a college system that emphasizes skillset diversity is actually a good thing. Privacy Policy | Terms of Use. 5yltM;6#D"A.+|F'g"##PBG Wi+5~ljx3!_YJ8a7p;[Bx$60FF8x\f@-. He retained the terminology and many of the blitz schemes of the Attack Defense, and then moved the rover position back to that of a traditional strong safety. A 46 is by definition a "Bear" front, but to use "Bear" does not necessarily mean a 46 defense. They have to have the frame and natural instinct. Five star get after it 100 percent Juice Key-Playing. Most college teams are not that good, but if the Hokies want to win a NC we will have to face that caliber of offense. #Scales4Heisman. I have not watched any tape of Miami vs Georgia Tech, so I am not sure if they make any specific adjustments from their normal scheme, but they certainly have the Yellow Jackets pegged. The adjustment from one set to the other depends on the alignment of the Rover. Such a menacing look. The free safety is responsible for coverage adjustments and making sure that everyone is lined up properly. These coverages have the goal of taking away the crossing routes over the middle and the post route that is used to attack C2 defenses, but also keep a guy relatively close to the LOS to help with the run, or running QBs. This allows the players to react instinctively and play with more confidence. AZ, CO, CT, IL, IN, IA, KS, LA, (select parishes), MD, MI, NH, NJ, NY, OH, OR, PA, TN, VA, WV, WY, CA-ONT only.Eligibility restrictions apply. Maddy is going to have to really step it up to be the starter. Accordingly, Bud Foster abandoned the 8 man front look, and turned to the "Field Strong" formation described in the link as their base defense. Aaron Rodgers, Kellen Moore, Andrew Luck all have great skills under pressure. He had to make the Rover less a run-defender and more of a full-time DB, a SS in laymans terms. You have heard the laundry list of coverage terms, but what do they mean? Was a great move on moving the rover back in alignment based on the offenses being seen but thought the Rover always lined up on the strong side away from the Whip but your diagram indicates them lined on the same side. Well, Bud had to change his defense a little to handle that. First, how do they maintain the aggressive variability of the Wide Tackle Six, but second, he wanted to stop the growing use of one back multiple receiver offenses from the West Coast to the Spread. Likewise, the End, Backer, Boundary Corner, and Rover always align toward the short side of the field. Part 1 covered some basic concepts, including a description for each defensive position. An example are the Virginia Tech teams of Frank Beamer and Justin Fuente, with Bud Foster serving as defensive coordinator under both. k_~k=: .qNgR\T0A$wcfXoMe#:!v2W}\;Kfva%VSc~s{A?dtpq) g~u+c\8h{ ]KKCz/H-\XH/c&4]#T{*]k0:}M &i$kj? [=?_. The free safety fills play-side to clean up if the running back breaks through the play-side gaps. Did Jim Harbaugh out scheme us, did we execute poorly, or were we outmanned? So complimenting it with the Bear front gives you the choice of going Even or Odd with a stem (pre-snap shift). I have no expectations that Antoine will start this year coming off that injury coupled with his history of not being as hard a worker. Tech often checks out of 4 into their version of straight Man, called a Cover 6 package, but it maintains the C4 look. The Rover was a strong side outside linebacker in the 8-man front that would slide out as an additional corner / defensive back against 3-4 wide receiver formations. Though the philosophy was. our dline is deep this season and will be dominant. Every defensive player in the front seven has a "gap" responsibility in every defense that is called. He started 79 games over an 8 year career. The zone run requires each offensive lineman to block the gap to the playside, moving along the line of scrimmage and maintaining contact for as long as possible with the first defender that crosses their face. In a traditional one gap 4-3 defense, each player in the front seven has the gap in front of them with few exceptions, with examples being a variety of stunts and run blitzes that are run in small proportion to the base calls. That was generally the wide side of the field as well, so the Backer or Rover had to cover a faster, quicker player out in open space. Whip: The Whip (Kyle Fuller) lines up wide, but well to the inside of the slot. Thanks for reading! If you compare how offensive schemes don't really hurt a recruits ability to make it to the NFL, why should a defensive scheme hurt us too? 3) I think it does hurt recruiting elite out of state prospects. Prior to 2004, the alignment of the linebackers and safeties was based more on the strong side / weak side of the offensive formation. Bud Foster used the Bear defense to suffocate the Buckeyes' run game in 2014. Shop fresh Hokies gear at TKP sponsor Homefield. Tackle: The Tackle (Derrick Hopkins) lines up as a 3 technique, outside eye of the backside guard. When things went well, a Hokie game featured numerous sacks, tackles for losses, interceptions, and the band wearing out the theme from Empire Strikes Back. NIL and the future of the 'student athlete', Liz Kitley is back to back ACC Player Of The Year, 2023 ACC Wrestling Tournament Seedings announced, OT: TKP Winter/Spring 2023 Gamer's Lounge, OT: 700 miles from the Rock through Spain and Portugal, HOKIES HOOPS CENTRAL: VIRGINIA TECH (16-13, 6-12 ACC) AT LOUISVILLE (4-25, 2-16 ACC) 9PM ACCN, FSU AD floats uneven revenue share for acc & leaving acc, Your analysis above holding true, but with our refreshed/deep D-line being able to slow Clemon's run, Clemson's new D-coordinator implementing a less pro-oriented scheme. I foresee a TON of blitzes on 3rd and long. Because of their Field/Boundary alignment philosophy, the same defenders do not always get matched on the same offensive players. So, they would use multiple tight ends to the strong side, then motion one of those tight ends back to the whip side. ]~ .O}_JG7mn0 1.Wvn;m,Fv i>TFis endstream endobj 11 0 obj 433 endobj 17 0 obj << /Length 18 0 R /Filter /FlateDecode >> stream The movement ideally allows three Hokies to be unblocked, versus depending on the physical ability of the defensive line to beat each of their blocks at the point of attack. In the Michigan game, almost every completion came against the safeties. Prior to 2004, the Hokies were primarily an 8-man front defense and everything worked off of that. B) Bud resurrected many of the 8 man front concepts during the awful end of Beamer's departure. At that point, the players on the field know the down/distance and the front, pressure, and coverage calls. h_k@vJbR His initial spot is 3x5 off the TE, reading the #2 receiver. Watching film of South Carolina against Clemson, South Carolina absolutely manhandled the Clemson OL, the same OL that manhandled the Hokies in the 2nd half of the ACC CG. The Tigers first-half offensive struggles were too much to overcome in a 64-57 loss. Actually Clemson's D is not going to be all that different than what it was last year except that Venable is simplifying it without all the checks and stuff. "-John Blutarsky, Small, and generally stout defensive tackles certainly seem to be the Bud Foster model. Instead, the coverage responsibility for that motioning receiver will be handed off to a defender already aligned on the other side of the field. 46 does not stand for 4 DL and 6 LBs, the name is derived from the player Buddy Ryan used to play one of the attacking LB positions. Engleberger wasn't a bust. This is especially true for the Whip LB, who no longer drops back as a deep safety in any situation. This is absolutely an attacking defense where every player is expected to #1 maintain leverage/control their gap responsibility and #2 attack attack attack the ball carrier. Former Federal Fugitive Pleads Guilty in California to Massive Fraud and Identity Theft Scheme in Connection with Nationwide Foreclosure Scam Defendant Collected More Than $1.2 Million from More Than 800 Distressed Homeowners . I will touch on this more when I write my column on the secondary play, but I think because Hokies safeties have been victimized in man coverage so much, that Foster is looking at his safeties having less run support responsibility and being better at coverage, hence the change of putting converted corners at safety. Using a series of hand signals, Bud Foster communicates the defensive call (set, blitz call, passing strength, coverage, etc) to the players on the field. But after several seasons of getting pounded into the turf by the Tech defense, teams began to spread things out and use more 3-4 wide receiver formations to isolate certain match-ups. It is even more stunning given how horridly Miami's D was against the Hokies. If one DL gets blown out of the hole, it creates problems for every other defender. Its heavy on blitzes from those two hybrid players. If healthy, this year's defense is going to be quite different. In obvious passing situations, the Hokies would shift to a base 4-3-4 look by dropping the Whip as the second safety. While it's currently a knock that VT hasn't developed NFL linemen, it's more of an inability to recruit them onto campus than anything else. Each player in the front 7 has a certain gap responsibility, but unlike other 4-3 and 3-4 base defenses, the defenders often stunt to a gap and hold their position rather than pursuit to the ball. As covered in Part 1, the Tech defense aligns based on ball position relative to the hash marks. The Rover aligns to the passing strength pre-snap, so hell adjust to the slot WRs most of the time. That is a lot for the players to process isnt it? When the WR's sets up to run block (the WR's total lack of effort is a complete "UVA move"), he immediately comes up in run support. Also, against Ace and Doubles sets, the coverage basically changes into 1/4-1/4-1/2 Cover 3. In his walked out spot, he is reading the backfield triangle to the #2/#3 receiver and has the flat zone weak. Terms at draftkings.com/sportsbook. Hosley was excellent enough to execute the design up there with the very best ball hawk the Hokies have had. Upvoted. View All Discussions French on the Bench , "Does it get any better than Thursday Night in Blacksburg?" There are a ton of details that are critical for the defense to execute properly. I don't know recall the plays that Taylor and JWG got hurt, so I am not really sure. Ellington) to take advantage of because all of our LB's are trained to be in gap control and aren't prepared to be in coverage. This book features Bud Foster, Defensive Coordinator at Virginia Tech; Chris Ash, Co-Defensive Coordinator, Ohio State; Mickey Matthews, former Head Coach at James . I think they use the same DE rotation as last year, with Wilson and McCray playing every 4th series and Marshall getting some snaps at tackle and end. Bud Foster called this scheme his "attack defense" but the base alignments were 8 man front's following the model of the famed Buddy Ryan 46 defense used by the Bears and Eagles in the 80's. Your thoughts please. The 60-year-old Foster, who has been with the Hokies since 1987 and has served as defensive coordinator since 1995, is currently the longest-tenured assistant coach in the FBS. 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